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anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:22 pm
by chucketn
Anyone within a reasonable distance of Jonesborough, TN have a wheel and plow muller that would be willing to mull my new(unused for casting) Petrobond Sand?
I'm having problems getting a good mold for pouring aluminum for a Gingery Shaper. The edges and simple details are breaking out.

Chuck

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:31 pm
by Jammer
I wish I could help you Chuck. I think there must be a problem with your PB ll, I don't know how to help.

I see you had the pleasure of Mr. Power's wisdom on I forge. Tells you to get off the blacksmith site and go to a casting site that is no longer around, it changed to AA from the BYMC, what, 6 years ago or more. But, he's a brilliant man and knows everything about anything...just ask him.

Just so everyone knows, Chuck has already built a Vantorne muller and has ask for help on every forum that has a casting section. The Petrobnd 2 is not living up to the hype. Anyone have any helpful advice? Or, know anyone with a muller for sale?

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:42 am
by dallen
just saw this, damn shame your not closer I'd run your sand thru my muller.

one thing you can try is when you flip the drag over to ram the cope is to run your finger around all the edges of the pattern so that you know for sure that the sand hasn't creeped over the edge, another thing is oil bonded sand can be rammed up really hard which will stop it from crumbling on the edges but you may have to use a vent wire so that the sand will breath.

get a bottle of heat gas treatment in the red bottle if you can and run the sand thru the muller a little at a time and add the Heat with a spray bottle, and don't put a whole bunch of it in the sand, IT only takes a little bit.

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:44 am
by dallen
another thing is DON'T add any oil to the sand as you haven't burned out whats already in it, it just needs to be brought back to life.

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:54 am
by chucketn
Thanks, DA, I had a heated exchange with a couple of the crudmudgens on IFI and decided that wasn't the place for me. If I want to be shouted down or insulted, I'd poke the wife, LOL. Yeah, wish you were closer, too! I could learn a lot from you.
I picked up some 70% rubbing alcohol and synthetic 2-stroke oil today. I'll play with a ziplock bag or two of the PB II sand to see if I can improve it. I have some petrobond clay that Jammer gave me, and some nice mortar sand to play with. Before that, though, I think I'll work up some of my water bond greensand and try a mold or two of that, just to see if it could be the patterns.
I'm still looking for an affordable wheel and plow muller, though, if there is such a thing.

Chuck

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:14 pm
by dallen
any progress on this problem

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:54 am
by chucketn
Not yet, Dave. Been distracted by 'Honey Doos' and regular chores. I did find a youtube series on building one by user Soat Mon.

https://youtu.be/aAhIpbc17KU

I downloaded the 9 vids in the series, and even contacted the maker to see if there were plans available. Unfortunately, there wasn't. So, I'll be making copious notes...

Chuck

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:09 pm
by Jammer
I have some good drawings of a commercial muller, I'll have to do some looking to find them. I think I put them on a disc somewhere. :?

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:07 am
by mite5255
Stephen Chastain has a book on building a Muller, I have it and if you were closer I'd let you borrow it

Re: anyone got a Wheel and plow muller?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:30 am
by dallen
I sorta followed Chastain's book when I built mine, I didn't go to the extremes that he did and cast a gear case, I found that sprockets and chain along with a V-belt from the motor to the first step down in reduction works just fine, its been serving me just fine.

I have his book somewhere, I can loan it to you if I can find it, if you want to take a peek at it, I won't say to follow his design totally as its way over built but I can see why he did that what with selling the book to people who may stick their fingers into places that they shouldn't.

Anyway let me know and I'll see if I can find it.